Many months ago, I was jeered by some colleagues when complaining that it was a torture to play badminton 'in' the sun'. They told me that the correct one should have been 'under the sun'. I quickly showed them the literal meaning of the phrase 'in the sun' in my Oxford dictionary but they all refused to look at it, insisting that I was wrong.As a junior, I did not have the courage to argue with them.

I have encountered many other similar incidents in my hometown. In Chinese language, the phrase 'in the sun' is 'Zai Thai Yang Sia'(under the sun). It is difficult to convince them that it is 'in the sun' in English.

Have you any idea how to change the mindset of my friends towards the phrase 'in the sun'? What I mentioned that day has become a 'standing joke' among them.

Playing with shuttlecocks in the sun would cause shuttlecock melting and more importantly, instant death.

Tell him standing in the sun would kill him. If he doesn't want to die, stand under it. ;)

Are these people not speakers of English as a first language? I would never have expected someone who spoke English as a first language to take offence to "in the sun." The most obvious way to explain it would be to say the "sun" in this context is just a truncation of sunlight. Playing badminton in the sunlight is torture.

If you want to get technical on their asses, you could tell them that "sun" is an apocope. Which is the loss of one or more sounds from the end of a word, often present in informal speech — two common examples being photo (photograph) and sync (synchronisation).

That said, "under the sun" isn't incorrect either. You'd be right to persist that "in the sun" is acceptable, but wrong to claim "under the sun" is incorrect.

If the above doesn't work, you can also show them the Google results for each:

  • "In the sun" = 5,810,000
  • "Under the sun" = 2,030,000

And

  • "playing in the sun" = 40,200
  • "playing under the sun" = 2,530

Murder by numbers.

Edit: Why didn't they look at the dictionary you showed them?

If they're still bothering you about it, I say print out this note and take it to them too. ;)

And it's thanks to misconceptions like these that Engrish.com continues to thrive. ;-)

Rich is correct (as usual).

Rich is correct (as usual).

QFT.

If you want to get technical on their asses, you could tell them that "sun" is an apocope.

Gesundheit!

My heartiest thank to all of you. I will show my friends all your enlightening explanations. Have an awesome day every one.

Hthhth: Why didn't they look at the dictionary you showed them?

If you are in a place where your credibility has been looked down, there is no way others can pay attention to your argument That is what I have always faced.What more to say that I am a relatively junior colleague. Some of them are my ex- English teachers.

Thanks for seeking clarification from me on the strange thought.

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